Sunday, 22 July 2007

Your rules, Ok?

Ms Robinson would like it to be known she rarely has sex on the first date. Quite often, she will do so before. This has the advantage of getting that uncertainty out of the way; it prevents you wondering all through the film or dinner whether it's going to be any good or not. Some may call it sluttish; Ms R calls it an Efficient Time Solution. As a woman who has left her thirties behind, she does not believe in wasting that precious commodity.

Of course such a route is not for everyone: those who are given to analysing first encounters endlessly with large groups of girlfriends and bottles of cheap wine, should not even go there. Plenty of women have taken this path thinking they are big and ugly enough to handle it but then fallen at the first hurdle. The next day they are on the phone to everyone asking, "oh my god, should I? I mean I think he wanted to but maybe I should have waited. Do you think I've spoiled it?"

Ms R herself is not given to this kind of analysis. These days her friends are mummies who, laden down with the duties of children and husbands, have little time for post-mortems and are more likely to say, "do it for me." Otherwise they are not interested and will tell her to go away and not bother them until she has some filth to report.

As for rules about when you should and shouldn't call him/sleep with him, Ms R has never entertained such nonsense. We are after all talking about someone who met a man on a beach and had sex with him after two hours of chat. This man eventually became her husband.

Ms R believes much of it has to do with confidence. Whether you propose or accept a proposal, doing so with confidence shows you know what you are doing. It also makes you incredibly attractive and desirable, thus increasing your chances of a repeat performance. (if you want one of course). Accessorised with humour and charm, confidence will take your further than the body of a goddess. Needless to say, so will moderate expectations. Remember, until both of you decide otherwise (not just you, ok?) you're just dating. That's all.

That doesn't mean blokes won't go loco on you. As Ms R has pointed out elsewhere, you cannot second guess anybody. Remember, any person you meet has a history behind them and what you have with them is just a moment in time. At this stage you know very little about them. However, if you want to sleep with him for your own enjoyment then do it. If you do but don't want to do it tonight, then just give him the most passionate kiss you can and tell him you adore anticipation. But do it with confidence. A girl who turns down a night in the sack with "Oh, umm gosh I'd love to but I shouldn't," is not likely to win desirability points either. And if you don't want to, then don't. You are the only judge of yourself: nobody else is. Anyway if he ignores you after the first night he's not going to be much use dealing with the realities of life.

Deciding whether to contact him or not works along similar lines. If you went out, had a great time and you sensed that he enjoyed it as much as you, then it is not a bad idea to send him a note and thank him. Ms R prefers to do this by email. If you send a text he will think you expect an immediate reply (and you probably will). An email allows you to be more articulate.
After you have sent it, wait for him. You may have to wait a few days. Men generally need a bit of time to sort these things out. They have sport to watch and crosswords to do. Give him that space. There is still something to be said for a woman (or man) of mystery. So no, don't text him every day. That's not a rule. It's called not stalking.

If several days pass as happened once with Ms R, you need to make a judgement call. Mostly Ms R will not even bother if a bloke does not call back. However, in this case the man had sent her an email saying he had a brilliant evening. She knew he meant it but she also knew he was recently separated and finding his way in the world. He'd already mentioned that he felt he didn't have much to give and a lot of baggage. So she had clues. She sent him this:

"I don't want your babies, I don't want your house and I don't want your stupid baggage. But I'd like some witty conversation, some food and maybe more."

It worked and although he is too wounded to date on a regular basis, the occasional dates are good fun and he is worth knowing. If it hadn't worked, what would Ms R have lost? Not much.

The rule is there are no universal rules. Only some judgement, astute or otherwise based on your appetite for risk. Fundamentally, if you are the sort of woman that worries what it all means you need to sort out that stuff first and get a bit of perspective about what's at stake, i.e. a date. Not a bloody sheep station.*

Remember you have to speculate to accumulate. In dating as in business, there will be decisions that don't work out. That is not your personal failure but simply part of the numbers game we play every day. Because swirling around you, him/her are all sorts of random events that you can't control. And sometimes you just have to forget what everyone thinks, say "What the hell" and plunge headlong into that randomness with abandon. At the very least you can say you lived.



*Sheep stations can have boundaries the size of Belgium or even France. In Australia if something is low stakes they say "we're not playing for sheep station."

24 comments:

Freddy said...

The rule is there are no rules. Only some astute judgement....

hmmm, thinks... easy for Ms R to say...

Gorilla Bananas said...

Now didn't a pair of women write a book about dating men called 'The Rules'?

Ah yes, here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rules

I would have loved to read Ms Robinson's review of it.

EmmaK said...

Women's magazines always say, "wait for a long time before sleeping with a date or he will think you are loose." But this is the thing, I don't want to be with someone who has such an archaic view of women like, whore and virgin or whatever. You are right Ms R, women need to know their own minds when they decide whether or not to sleep with someone. Sound advice as always.

Conan Drumm said...

You say "In love as in business..." but, I suspect, you're not writing about love, just the prefatory phase?

Ms Robinson said...

Ah Freddy, life is not as gilded for me as you think: I apparently scare them..but I also don't give fuck these days.

GB: In time. There will be more parodies methinks.

EmmaK: You're right but why do women take a guy's opinion as of great value. That is the million dollar question.

Conan: Fucking smart arse: I will change it to 'dating.'

EmmaK said...

Ah Ms R...you are a million miles ahead of the current thinking in society. The answer as to why women care about the man's opinion of us is that traditionally, (whether this is evolutionary or brainwashing), most women want to get married, be taken care of etc. If women were more autonomous the question would not be asked. Also, it is a fact that if you sleep with someone who you want to see again and they do not call, most women will get angry and say, what, I GAVE myself to him, he could at least have had the courtesy to PHONE me for the SERVICE I gave him. That is the subtext and you are right it is archaic....why shouldn't the woman just have enjoyed the sex without asking for anything in return??

Peach said...

I only answer calls from men I've had sex with if it was any good...


*winks*

Ms Robinson said...

Emma: yes this idea of sex as being something you give away..that is rather odd isn't it?

Peach: Top Girl! Exactly my strategy.

Midnight said...

If there was a rule book, I'd break them all anyway, so I figure why bother.

Besides I never read the rules of cricket and I bowled plenty of maiden overs not to mention scoring well when in the crease.

Conan Drumm said...

Apols, copy-edit me anytime you like. I'll grin and bear it.

Anonymous Boxer said...

I think two hours of chatting is plenty enough time.

Luka said...

It all comes down to that honest communication thing again. It is so rare, so unexpected, it works a treat on any thinking individual.

Gentleman Whore said...

Sleeping BEFORE the first date? You are, as you always have been, Ms. Robinson, a woman after my own heart—but are you quite sure the Girl would approve of this sort of behavior?

Ms Robinson said...

Midnight:Rules are for wimps I reckon. This from the girl that put glue on the teacher's strap when she was 11 just because she was bored.

Conan:As with everything, I don't go looking for it, but if I find it I may.

Luka: Ah Luka, you have used the proviso 'thinking' individual. My own experience is that many people simply do not know their own selves well enough to react to others. They are looking for clues from god knows where.


AB: It was highly intellectual type chat so that counts for at least a week of normal people's I reckon.

GW: I truly suspect the Girl wishes she could turn at least one of her fucks into a relationship but it seems that has thus eluded her. Wonder why?

Emsk said...

A damned fine answer to my question. Like you, I'm not bothered who asks whom first. I have been both lucky and unlucky with friendships in which sex happened pretty from the off in as much some I saw again, some I didn't (one I married!). Likewise, some guys I've asked first have said yes, some have declined and that hasn't stopped me from acting the same way again if I want to.

If I have one 'rule' as well as not taking a man's opinion of you to heart (you may hardly know him, after all), it's not to listen to what your girlfriends say, unless there are very good reasons to or unless one is the well, go for it if you like him type. Women too have their issues swirling about them and so often they all come creeping out of the woodwork.

(To be fair on The Rules girls though, they are freeing up a lot of guys stateside with their tomfoolery. All the more for us, I say!)

Lady in red said...

the rule is that if I want to then I will if I dont then I just wont I just never make any promises.

moi said...

Hell, I can't even spend 3.5 seconds reading an instruction manual, much less following "rules" when it comes to relationships. The only given, I think, is to know yourself and be honest with yourself. Which isn't, uhm, always easy. But if achieved, you can't go wrong.

Fat Sparrow said...

"We are after all talking about someone who met a man on a beach and had sex with him after two hours of chat."

Yep, you are my kind of woman.

Was the sex on the beach? I just love how they always show that in movies to try and convey romance and what-not, without ever mentioning the danger of sand up your bits, crabs (not the sexually transmitted kind), and giggling children.

Ms Robinson said...

Emsk:Ah you see I was going to elaborate on not listening to your girlfriends. Girls put enormous faith in their friends and sometimes I think it's misplaced. Not because girlfriends are intentionally derailing you but maybe, just maybe, they are wishing it wouldn't happen.

Lady in Red: I bet when you were a little girl you said "No,I don't do carrots but I will do broccoli. No discussion. Ok."

Moi: Those rule books are written by women who don't look like they've shagged much anyway.

Fat Sparrow: Hello. Yes we shagged ont the beach. It was 37 degrees but we sweated it out and the sand got inside me before he did. Since it was a remote beach in North West Australia there were no children, no anything really. In fact since we weren't watched we may as well have done it in a bed with 300 thread count sheets. Overrated, much like group sex and oysters.

Manuel said...

"...she rarely has sex on the first date"

woah there! Settle. There are waiters reading, that's the sort of statement that gets you bad service....

la fille mariƩe said...

Playing games and following rules are just way too much work, frankly. If I want to have sex, I just can't see the point in pretending otherwise. If I am upfront, and he is honest, it will generally work out the way it should, as a one time thing, or for something that lasts.

Mone said...

ahh, HELP, the fat found me ;)

Ariel said...

On the one hand, we live in a society of instant gratification so why shouldn't sex be part of it too? On the other, spontaneity and the odd impulse are a good thing, and a good time-saving approach when it comes to many things, sex included. How refreshing to read there are other women who are endowed with the logical and critical thought faculties of a man, too.

Ordinary Girl said...

I've experienced many a time of "getting to know them", only to find the sex was crap and I'm trying to backtrack out of the last 3 dates!!

At the end of the day, sexual compatability is far higher up my criteria than what they order for dinner!

That said, the ones you "make wait" do always seem to stick around longer...

Ho hum.